So I am sure of all those in the recruiting world have heard that the Guard is going to start recruiting for the active duty as well under a "Active First" program. From the looks of it, a recruit can join the Guard, go active from 30-48 months then go back to the Guard or stay active. I think this is great. We know we will have another Guard member in the future and we fill a need in the active side. The Guard is better at recruiting than active, no fault of their own, most Active army recruiters are forced to recruiting, while Guard is ALL volunteer. In my office we have five recruiters, while the active has 12 to cover the same area. And we out perform them most months. The Army is really good at retaining folks though, we have issues sometimes because of limits in Senior NCO's, it makes keeping people in an issue sometimes.
Anyways... So now I will directly compete with USAREC, and I will win. Why?? Not because I am a better recruiter, because I can guarantee an MOS unlike active, they can sorta but not like we can. Now granted, I wont do that until they pass the ASVAB test, but I can do better than an active recruiter.
I do foresee a reduction in Army recruiters if this works as well for the Guard as I see it, and we will see better Army recruiters in the end, more that want to be there than don't.
Don't hate me USAREC, I didn't make the deal, your bosses did.
PS: is this taunting, don't want it to be.
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The Army can't guarantee jobs? Please explain, I've talked to a lot of Army recruiters and they all seem to think that they can always guarantee a job if its available.
An Army recruiter usually cannot guaruntee a job, they have a new system that allows them to try, but if the ship date is availible. Availibility is in the eyes of the MEPS counselor. For instance, I has a guy last week that wanted to be military police and he wanted to leave in Sept. Well, the Army would have told him it is not availible, but we do have these jobs. The Army recruiter doesnt tell them that becasue they do not have access to that info. Neither do I, but our MEPS counselor told him, it is availible, but he wont be able to leave until May of next year. It was up to him, wait until May or pick another job we discussed. The Guard recruits for specific positions that are vacant. Some jobs are overfilled and we do not recruit for those even if they are qualified. Did I make any sense?
When I heard the news I was giddy and light headed. I put in 32 people last year, more than 3 fulltime USAREC! Now I can slaughter them.
I think this is outstanding news. I would think that this is definitely a recruiting incentive. Serve for a short time, then have the option of continuing active or going Guard.
I know a few people who might think this was taunting, though. ;) They're probably muttering about you right now.
You aren't refering to SFC B are ya, suprised I haven't heard his two cents yet.
You're misunderstanding what "guarantee a job" means. The Army (RA, AR, NG) can all guarantee a job. However, there are restrictions.
Guard Recruda, I'm sure you cannot "guarantee" someone a job which doesn't exist in your area (It's possible, but it's dirty pool).
The Regular Army will guarantee the training for any job available for which you qualify. If you want to be a Vet specialist, good luck, there's like six of them for the Army during the year, but they do exist.
Of course the double edged sword is that now USAREC will be up in your shit.
Thats the best part, USAREC will have no authority inGuard recruiting.
What I refer to in guarenteeing a job is how alot of recruiters will say, "yes johnny, you can be an MP". yes they qualify with line scores, but there are no training seats availible, so he can't be an MP. But these are availible. Its not the recruiters fault, they don't know whats availible. Some USAREC recruiters I work with, yes with, not against, are up front and have them pick 2 or 3 of their top jobs they qualify for ASVAB wise, of course hopeing they aren't red/green.
Bottom line, Guard recruiters still work our cushy schedules and don't have to deal with Station commanders who have all the answers and 1SG's who dictate 6 1/2 day work weeks of 70 hrs a week. USAREC knows what I'm talking about. And we get to tap in to the active market.
My USAREC buds are upset, but it's not like I did it to them.
I think SFC B is absolutely right about USAREC being up in your stuff. If they are going to 'let' you write RA contracts, and you are gullible enough to actually do it; the next step is having an RA mission.
And the next step from that is USAREC taking you over.
However, nothing would make me happier than to never see another RA Soldier yanked from his or her job and sent out into these f-d up communities to try to qualify the unqualifed and motivate the unmotivated.
So, I wish you all the best of luck and great success.
SSG K
I will not write RA contracts, they will be guard contracts, they will just do a couple years active.
We're feeling the sting of the "Active First" program here in upstate NY, where everyone's neighbor is in the Guard. Guardsman Tony's not going to let you join the Active Army when you can get a trial size bucket of Hooah and he can get $2000 to boot. It's a matter of access to qualified folks, the Guard lives and works with 'em, we get kicked out of their high schools.
Your a good Recruiter because of your prior Navy background - with it you will fail at nothing!
NCCM(CRF/ret)
20 years Navy Recruiting
Boy is USAREC GONNA HATE ME TOO!!!!
I have been trying to get help with an active duty army recruiter (ex-husband) who has consistantly been misusing government funds. This loser stopped paying his mortgage and is receiving B A H! He refused to pay child support and has been lying to command saying he has custody of the child. (WHICH HE DOESNT). He is in debt hundreds of thousands of dollars yet NO ONE has checked his finances in at least the last three years since our divoce.And he was permitted to promote in rank. My POINT IS..... USAREC PROTECTS THESE TOP RECRUITERS IF THEY NEED THAT STATION TO MAKE THEIR NUMBERS. Even knowing the recruiter put his 0wn sister in and she was released for a nervouse breakdown *because she was unstable to begin with. I have gotten no support through command and, Now this idiot wont even sign the form for our child to be able to utilize commisary benefits. IVe been all the way up through congress and the command still doesnt see what a shady character this liar is !!! is it that way with all of USAREC!
@Shelli
Approaching his command for the issues you describe will get you no where. If your x-husband is not meeting the conditions of the divorce then that matter must be handled in civilian court.
I have a question? It is a little off the subject but I was wondering if I am an IDT ARCC in USAREC and I put in a dd-368. How long does USAREC have to send it back to my Guard recruiter? I have been waiting a month now and no one can seem to telm me whats going on. I have a GWOT recuiting position open for me and I want the job but they are lagging on the DD-368. Sorry for getting off the subject!
You are a complete tool who is full of crap. You should stop misleading people with your misinformation. it isnt USAREC who should hate you, the NG should. You are an emabarrasment to your service, and borderline bolface liar!
One of the problems I see is a continuing of the over missioning process which basically means if eveyone made contract mission there would not be enough training seats to fill the accession mission. So to add to the over mission numbers given to RA recriuters (numbers not needed to meet Active training seats), we will now have an influx of training seats used by the Active Guard person. This would be all great if the mission numbers were adjusted to reflect exactly what the accession numbers need to be. I think all Recruiters want to help put soldiers in boots. Thanks for your service, hang in there, there is life after USAREC.
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